Criterion Theatre

1514 Broadway,
New York, NY 10036

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vindanpar
vindanpar on August 29, 2018 at 1:31 am

If you look at the two links the one in in 2006 the entire roadshow print was restored:

‘FotoKem Restores “South Pacific”
“Bigfoot” Scanner Restores 65mm Classic to Better Than Original Condition with 14 Minutes of Lost Footage’

But at the second link the AFI print was 157 minutes.

The current Bluray and TCM showing completely ignore the restoration as if it never happened. So did it? And if so why is that not acknowledged? What happened to it?

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on August 29, 2018 at 12:28 am

As to what I saw re South Pacific: http://www.in70mm.com/news/2006/south_pacific/index.htm

http://www.afi.com/silver/films/2012/v9i3/70mm.aspx

6 track meant 5 tracks behind screen, 1 surround. Usually remixed into the digital formats. Not identical.

vindanpar
vindanpar on August 28, 2018 at 10:57 pm

I should also say that as a record collector from way back the current young people who run companies sometimes have no idea what they are doing(not always.) They ruin older recordings with compression or brightening or they do not find the best sources for a reissue.

Not having been around way back when their sense of what things should sound like or how to go about finding the best sources is severely compromised.

vindanpar
vindanpar on August 28, 2018 at 10:48 pm

If they restored the master why is it in SD?

And what did HowardBHaas see at AFI?

And why was the individual saying that the colors were worse than usual at the TCM showing?

Sound is 5.1 DTS HD Master Audio or 4.0 Dolby Surround.-Does this equate to the 6 track original?

‘All 70mm/35mm prints are archived, including audio tracks and separation negatives. Release on home video is at the discretion of the copyright holders.’

What about what Cinema70 wrote?

Nothing is adding up.

Ken Roe
Ken Roe on August 28, 2018 at 10:37 pm

I have the 2-disc Blu-Ray of “South Pacific” released in 2010 in the United Kingdom in a Regions A, B, & C format. Disc 1 is the Theatrical Version taken from a 35mm print. Disc 2 is the ‘Road Show’ Version taken from a Todd-AO print.

A notice on Disc 2 states: “What you are about to see is the "Road Show version of Rogers and Hammerstein’s "South Pacific” as it played in movie theaters when it was first released, with an intermission. Later a shorter “General Release” version was created, and that has been the version seen throughout the years.

For this release we have restored the master which was taken from the original negative and the master sound elements, cut for the “General Release”. There are approximately 14 additional minutes in the “Road Show” version, and you will notice a significant difference between that footage and the footage that is shared between the two versions. Over time, the best elements unique to the “Road Show” version have been lost or destroyed, so we have taken those sequences from the best source material available."

The “Road Show” version has Overture music, Entr'acte music and Exit music after the credits (all played on a black blank screen. The running time given is 151 minutes (157 minutes General Release in theatres) There is no running time given for the Road Show release (but it ran 171 minutes in theatres). Sound is 5.1 DTS HD Master Audio or 4.0 Dolby Surround.

vindanpar
vindanpar on August 28, 2018 at 9:13 pm

I’m not annoyed at you Cinema70 but I’m pretty annoyed that a great opportunity was thrown away and I would have known nothing if I hadn’t happened upon it on a theater chat site.

vindanpar
vindanpar on August 28, 2018 at 9:07 pm

‘All 70mm/35mm prints are archived, including audio tracks and separation negatives. Release on home video is at the discretion of the copyright holders.’

Big deal. What difference does it make if the copyright owners have no interest in properly restoring the 70m version and making it available to the public? This bluray and the TCM showing were clearly deceptive. It’s really the anniversary of the general release which would be what year? Nice packaging for a shoddy product. And the reviewer of the bluray.com review should be ashamed of himself for not pointing this out.

vindanpar
vindanpar on August 28, 2018 at 7:41 am

I just perused the bluray.com review. Yes the high definition is the general release version so I would assume it comes from a 35mm print. It does not mention coming from the Todd AO print. The roadshow is a supplement in SD with the additional sequences in noticeably poorer quality.

I don’t know what happened to the print you saw. Or the print I saw. But all the executives at Fox should be flayed. They sure did not give it the attention it deserved. I should have read the review more clearly the first time. I would have never gotten the blu ray. There seems to be no reason for this but cost cutting.

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on August 28, 2018 at 1:33 am

I wouldn’t put much credence in a theater chat site unless there was more specific information. Unless somebody asked the theater staff they would not know if it was a blu ray or 2k or 4k whether downloaded from satellite as typical or harddrive. As to colors, it was a digital version & such scans do not always resemble what the film had. As stated, in my experience, the Fathom TCM screenings are NOT blu rays- I’ve asked. But, at one of those screenings, the colors looked ridiculous & when checked online that was the criticism of the digitization of that film.

vindanpar
vindanpar on August 28, 2018 at 12:23 am

I found this out on a theater chat site. Somebody asked if anybody went(I myself was not even aware of it.)

They asked what was shown: general release or roadshow? Somebody who went responded the blu ray of the general release version. So it could have been a 2k or 4k scan. This wasn’t specified. They said the colors looked even worse on the screen. That should not have been the case with a properly scanned print.

I have the blu ray which I haven’t even opened yet. I’ve just assumed it was a 4k restoration of the Todd AO roadshow original. I’ll be pretty annoyed if it’s not. I saw it in'78 in Todd AO at the Warner Cinerama and though the print was somewhat worn it was tremendous.

And that sound! Good lord it had you pinned to the back of the theater. I mean that in a positive way not a headache inducing let the entire multiplex hear modern way.

HowardBHaas
HowardBHaas on August 27, 2018 at 9:30 pm

Vindanpar, are you sure it was a showing of the Blu ray rather than a 2k or 4k version (even if not the roadshow)? In 2012, I saw a beautiful 70mm print of the roadshow at AFI Silver, so there’s a roadshow available to digitize if not already done. When I’ve attended Fathom screenings- which this was, they usually are 2k or so.

Al Alvarez
Al Alvarez on August 27, 2018 at 7:47 pm

If you watch the ad on TCM it is just part of a promo to sell the 60th Anniversary Blu-Ray.

vindanpar
vindanpar on August 27, 2018 at 6:16 pm

Did anyone know there was just a TCM theatrical showing of South Pacific?

It was a showing of the blu ray of the general release not roadshow version. What in the world was the point of that? Does the Todd AO original release no longer exist or can no longer be restored? Shades of Hawaii as concerns the roadshow cut.

Texas2step
Texas2step on July 31, 2018 at 12:30 am

This one opened on September 16, 1936.

DavidZornig
DavidZornig on July 22, 2018 at 5:35 pm

Dave Gelinas Flickr link with a July 9, 1955 photo.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/117891934@N07/13965921696/in/photostream/

Mikeoaklandpark
Mikeoaklandpark on July 7, 2018 at 5:39 pm

The 50th anniversary theatrical rerelease was also stunning plus the digital presentation was 2.20 which is about as close to 70MM as you can get

vindanpar
vindanpar on July 6, 2018 at 11:05 pm

My Fair Lady anniversary blu ray is stunning. Best I’ve seen it since ‘78 at the Warner. Harris’s best work. My only caveat is with the sound. But nothing is going to replace the 6 track analog soundtrack sound of a great roadshow house. The movie has its detractors as being too stately and it could do with more reaction close ups but wow how I regret commercial filmmaking went so horribly off the rails with the American new wave of the late 60s early 70s. And then with the success of Spielberg and Lucas it became hopeless.

This is a movie.

Comfortably Cool
Comfortably Cool on June 27, 2018 at 1:59 pm

Brief Movietone Newsreel coverage of the 1958 world premiere of “South Pacific” at the Criterion Theatre can be viewed here

SingleScreen
SingleScreen on May 29, 2018 at 9:26 am

I saw EVILS OF THE NIGHT here on Halloween night, 1985.

vindanpar
vindanpar on January 29, 2018 at 10:49 am

The One and Only Genuine Original Family Band. And as a boy I like Sherman Brothers Disney movies and listened to the soundtrack as a kid. Didn’t see it though until I was an adult and found it dire. Couldn’t even sit through the whole film.

Mike (saps)
Mike (saps) on January 29, 2018 at 2:07 am

So, what was the Easter show that year…?

vindanpar
vindanpar on January 28, 2018 at 7:27 pm

As per the Half a Sixpence ad posted by Comfortably Cool. I remember the Sunday before the premiere watching Ed Sullivan with my family and Ed announcing the premiere and having Steele stand up from his seat in the audience. The premiere was televised on a local NY channel as many of the big road show openings were at the time. Mayor Lindsey hosted the Funny Girl world premiere which seemed kind of odd from the same theater. I assume these were all disposed of as I’ve never seen them again. At least the ones from NY. The local stations might simply gotten rid of them which is too bad.

While Sixpence was a hit at the Astoria in London and the American love affair with English pop culture hadn’t yet run its course(Oliver!) Sixpence for some reason immediately laid an egg at the Criterion. It did so poorly from day one Variety figured out that whoever did these things the manager of the Criterion or the studio was grossly inflating the box office figures. I think it lasted close to 3 months and it must have been doing it for contractual reasons and playing to very small audiences in the large Criterion.

This was though the kind of film had it opened at the Music Hall would have been a big hit there. It’s certainly watchable unlike the Music Hall’s Easter film that year.

DavidZornig
DavidZornig on January 1, 2018 at 1:59 am

1956 premiere of “The Ten Commandments at the Criterion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t63r9iPx8d4

davidcoppock
davidcoppock on December 31, 2017 at 5:54 am

Whats the restaurant called?

Al Alvarez
Al Alvarez on December 30, 2017 at 3:30 pm

Streisand sure was, so maybe some in her audience did as well.