Cinerama Hollywood
6360 Sunset Boulevard,
Los Angeles,
CA
90028
6360 Sunset Boulevard,
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90028
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Do I understand that there is a showing of How the West Was Won in three projector Cinerama this Sunday 15 april 15http://www.tcm.com/festival/schedule.html?day=sunday or did I get that wrong. But they do not sell separate tickets for this screening. So 300 bucks to see a movie in Cinerama?
From today’s (4/12/12) LA Times:
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/news/movies/la-et-0412-cinerama-20120412,0,7537749.story
JSA
I understand more than you think and what does that all have to do with the Cinerama Dome? Yea guidelines “Stay on topic”
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while we’re on the subject. why is it that some companies have been better at keeping prints of their roadshow widescreen epics in damn good condition that other companies? for instance none of the dvds of UA’s widescreen roadshow epics released by MGM Home Video have been the complete roadshow prints. whereas all the dvds and now blu-ray discs that Warner Bros. Home Video have released of MGM’S widescreen roadshow epics have been the
complete roadshow prints. what gives?
Well DEFG you sure can write a lot about nothing
Like a complete version of A Star is Born the full roadshow version of Mad World may be lost forever. The Ultra Panavision 70(anamorphic) print that is available now is not the full roadshow version. The sound mix does not have the left extra and right extra track so the sound mix is only three front channels and a surround channel.
Bigjoe59… I’ll leave it to others more knowledgeable than myself to answer your question, but I don’t believe an original roadshow print of “Its A Mad Mad Mad Mad World” has existed in many decades. While bits and pieces have shown up here and there, a complete restoration has never been completed. The early “complete” versions of that film released on home video, included outtakes and trims that Stanley Kramer himself never intended to include in the finished product, and was cobbled together to approximate roadshow length.
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speaking of negatives and prints etc…. i have a question that has always bugged me a bit. in the late 90s when vhs was still the dominant home video format MGM/UA Home Video created a new vhs series titled “MGM/UA Screen Epics”. all the films were digitally remastered with new art work for the slip case packaging. this is where my question comes in- the prints of THE ALAMO,ITS MAD MAD MAD MAD WORLD and HAWAII that were reissued in this series were the original roadshow prints. yet the currently available dvds of these three films which are the only dvds i have ever come across are the general release prints not the roadshow prints. if complete roadshow prints were available for the vhs series why not use them for the dvds? is there a reason why they couldn’t?
Oh man.
Thank you, DEFG.
It would be nice if the Dome can get the new “2001” print. But I’m not sure if they are set for reel-to-reel anymore (anyone knows?). I doubt that Warner would let anyone run it in a platter.
For what it’s worth, from some of the web traffic on the subject, it appears that the new print is 70 MM/DTS.
JSA
The 70mm print they ran at the Egyptian was pretty bad. Is there a new print? Is the 65mm negative in any condition to be able to get a good print off it. The negative for The Sound of Music was in bad shape when it was restored in the 90’s, but even after restoration it was showing wear and tear.
The Cinerama Theater in Seattle will showing a new 70mm print of “2001” as a part of their upcoming science fiction film festival. If they can get one, one would think the Dome could too.
I saw “2001” in digital at Film Forum in New York last month, and was very pleasantly surprised at how good it looked. Of course that screen was about one-fourth the size of the one at the Dome, and not curved.
JSA and/or Danny: If you do go on Sunday, I’ll be eagerly looking forward to your opinion.
Clearly, there is quite a bit of interest because it has nearly sold out the Dome. The 35mm show in one of the standard auditoriums has barely sold 50 seats by comparison.
There were a few shots that looked like some of the Todd-AO lenses were used. I doubt Todd-AO lenses were used for the special effects shots. The whole film (2001) was shot on 65mm negative. Close Encounters used 65mm negative for the special effects. Some special effects people used 65mm some used VistaVision.
It is interesting that TOdd-AO was used for some of the special effects shots. I had heard of old VistaVision cameras used for effects shots before but not Todd-AO.
The 70 MM “2001” print shown at the Academy’s Samuel Goldwyn Theatre in 2008 was almost flawless. Stunning image and great sound.
Not being a qualified expert, one scene that always looked like Todd-AO to me was a shot looking at the pod bay from the POV of the lower control room, as one of the astronauts comes climbing down.
I too have my 2K doubts. Not sure if I’ll attend Sunday’s show…
JSA
Thanks, RogerA. I did notice the barrel distortion the last time I saw Cleopatra, especially when King Ptolemy enters (first scene in Alexandria). In 2001, there’s at least one shot of the cockpit of the Aries shuttle (from the space station to the moon base) that has that same kind of look.
Todd-AO was special because of the lens used on both the camera and the projector. More so the camera than the projector. There was one very wide angle camera lens that was a bug eye lens. This lens was used for one scene in Oklahoma. This lens had an incredible field of view. Cleopatra was filmed using the Todd-AO lenses and the barrel distortion can be seen throughout the film. They may have needed some very wide angle lenses to film some of the scenes in 2001 so it is possible Todd-AO lenses were used. The Hilton in space scene looks like there was distortion that would be consistent with a Todd-AO lens. The important fact was the use of a 65mm negative. The original presentation was stunning but as there are no original prints, that have not faded, and the negative is questionable; I am not sure a great 70mm print exists. Still, I doubt a 2K digital copy would do this film justice.
Thanks a lot, DEFG. We appreciate the hard work you’re doing to get all this great stuff posted. That picture of “Cleopatra”’s title card on the Ziegfeld screen is my new favorite photo.
DEFG: I’d never heard about “2001” using Todd-AO until this week, first in a Wikipedia article about Cinerama and now from you. Do you have any idea which scene or scenes they might have been? I know one shot of an exploding galaxy during the Star Gate sequence was shot in New York City. All the rest of it, I always assumed was shot in England. Thanks for sharing your knowledge (and your photos – they’re really amazing) with us!
I stand corrected.
2001 was not a Todd-AO production, it was filmed in Super Panavision 70 for Cinerama presentation.
A 2K digital presentation compare to 70mm for a movie natively shot in Todd AO? That’s funny. But the usual digital presentations in there look good – I’m sure it will be passable.
“2001” will be playing here in digital format on April 15th. If anyone goes, could you please report back about the show? I’m curious whether a digital picture could compare to 70mm and successfully fill that huge screen, unless they’re only using part of it. Thanks.