it seems developers in S.F. don’t have anymore love for
historic theater buildings than developers in NYC. the
Clay is a small theater how can the lot be used for
development?
also at least S.F. has something neither NYC or L.A. have. 2 movie theaters build before the advent of WW I. the Vogue and the 4 Star.
to Mike(saps)– many thanks for your reply. Boys Scouts Honor
the first two times I tried only 5 theaters ever showed up.
I have no idea what I clicked on. speaking of Seattle. its
interesting none of the 7 theaters the studios used for their
roadshow engagements in Manhattan(Criterion, Loews State,
RKO Palace, Demille, Warner, Rivoli and Loews Capitol ever
wound up showing “adult” films. that apparently is not the
case in other cities.
to MSC77. NYC is a big city comprised of five boroughs.
but if one eliminates all the neighborhood theaters in the
other four boroughs Manhattan alone had countless theaters.
but if we narrow our search to just the 1st run theaters
that have existed in Manhattan that’s still a hell of a
lot of theaters. my question being simple. when I clicked
om “all theaters” for Seattle all that comes up is five
theaters. you mean in the entire history OF Seattle
there have only been 5 movie theaters?
being a lifelong film buff I am still a tad confused
as to what the term “grindhouse” means. if I am not
mistaken this theater played several studio releases
after TSON ran here. for instance Apocalypse Now played
here after its run at the Ziegfeld.
I thank everyone for their replies about Grimm. an
additional question which I should have asked to begin
with. would someone who knows the technical side of
remastering for a Blu-ray disc explain why a HD transfer
can’t be made from the 3 panel print shown at the
Dome. if it was in damn good enough condition to show
why not? thanks in advance.
based on the intro at top this theater which opened as
the Strand in 1914 retained its original interior décor
till it was converted to Cinerama in 1953?
I thank everyone for the info about the 3 panel Grimm
print shown at the Dome in Hollywood. I’m guessing a
number of older films released on dvd or Blu-ray were
mastered from the best quality print of the film that’s
available. so if the 3 panel print shown at the Dome
is in damn good condition I don’t see why a Blu-ray
can’t be mastered from it.
if the Dome showed a 3 panel print in 2012 can’t they
remaster a Blu-ray disc of it? I’m assuming if the print
was in good enough condition to be shown commercially
its in good enough condition to use for an HD transfer.
to Ed S.– thanks for your reply. my point was simple.
I had always been told the 3-panel negative was water
damaged beyond repair end of story. but apparently
that’s not the case. so the problem so to speak is
not the condition of the negative but Warner Home
Video spending the $$$ to properly restore it as they'
did HTWWW. that’s what I was trying to point out.
speaking of theatrical exhibition. what print was
shown at a Cinerama Festival at the Dome in Hollywood
a few years back. or for that matter how is
Turner Classic Movies able to air it?
after Warner Home Video’s immaculate restoration and HD transfer of How The West Was Won I was eagerly awaiting the same for The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm.
after a few years and zippo I did some inquiries and was
told the 3 Panel negative had suffered water damage that
was beyond repair. but is it? in the trivia section on the
IMDB pg. for the film it paints an entirely different
picture as to how “damaged” the 3 panel negative is.
to xbs2034- prior to its August 2019 closing i thought
theater was always well maintained, helpful staff, clean
men’s room etc…… baring this in mind could you
please be specific as to what you mean by “looked to be
better maintained than its City Cinemas days”?
to markp- I thank you for your reply since I know
you have personal knowledge in the area. but to reiterate
my original comment I think not properly masking
screens is a sign of poor showmanship pure and simple.
I’m in my 60s and have been an avid moviegoer virtually
since I could walk. to which the non-masking of screens
is a relatively recent event. so if it was done for
all these years why stop now.
to markp- who have been most helpful in answering
questions about the technical side of movie exhibition
so here goes with a new one. why did theaters come to
the decision to stop masking screens? whether a film
is shown in the 1.85.1 ratio or the 2.35.1 ratio to
see white bars on the top and bottom or at the sides I
find distracting. I would say its poor showmanship
for theaters to not properly mask screens.
to Al A.– as you said in a previous post Kennedy’s book
begins with a negative slant so I shouldn’t be surprised
by what he says in the book. in your last post you say
“in that he is right”. well kind of if you’re talking
strictly about box office returns maybe.after The Sound of
Music finished its record run at this theater the studios
released Oliver, Funny Girl and Fiddler on the Roof all
on roadshow engagements. for instance many people consider
FOTR the greatest musical ever made.
the link to the interview with Kennedy doesn’t seem to work
but I did read the interview when the link was first posted.
it seems just that he book was going to have a negative
viewpoint. his statement referring to Hello Dolly as a
“well dressed dinosaur” is the epitome of a left handed compliment. granted Streisand should have been twice the age
she was but in terms of her performance Streisand WAS
every inch Dolly Levi. I still don’t get the comments
about “over produced” musical numbers. one of the
things I liked about the film was its lush production
numbers. to criticize a film version of Hello Dolly for
“over produced” numbers is just plain bizarre.
also in the interview Kennedy refers to Doctor Dolittle
as an “ugly bomb”. I always liked the film. plus the
recent restord/remastered Blu-ray disc from Twilight Time
is A++. people who have never seen the film and are just
aware of its somewhat off reputation after viewing the
Blu-ray disc will wonder what all the naysayers were
talking about.
during the exclusive first run of Old Ironsides in 1926
not only did they have a live orchestra playing the score
but they had people behind the screen doing sound effects
during the battles scenes.
I had tickets for a matinee of the Ben-Hur rerelease the
day after Judy Garland died. when you entered the lobby
right before the theater proper they had portraits of all
the great stars that had played the Palace. Garland’s
had a black wreath around it.
to vindanpar- does Kennedy’s book discuss musical
roadshows only of the ‘60s? for me the modern era of roadshows
started with Oklahoma(Oct. 1955) to Man of La Mancha
(Dec. 1972). while there were many musicals released
during the 60s I’m hedging the bet more were released
on a continuous performance basis to use an old term
rather than on a roadshow basis. in other words if
Kennedy sticks to only roadshow musicals of the '60s
it must be a shorter book.
I love your comment since I well remember your comments on
Kennedy’s book “Musical Roadshows”. I wonder if he even saw
Hello Dolly in its original TODD-AO projection at this
theater.
to ridethectrain. since you post frequently here don’t
you find the color of the new seats off-putting? as I
said it looks like a pumpkin threw up. plus they’re
nowhere near as comfy as the new seats at the AMC/Loews
19 St.
Hello From NYC-
it seems developers in S.F. don’t have anymore love for historic theater buildings than developers in NYC. the Clay is a small theater how can the lot be used for development?
also at least S.F. has something neither NYC or L.A. have.
2 movie theaters build before the advent of WW I. the Vogue
and the 4 Star.
Hello-
since I was talking about the fate of the prime roadshow houses in New York as opposed to Seattle I think it was a valid comment to make.
to Mike(saps)– many thanks for your reply. Boys Scouts Honor the first two times I tried only 5 theaters ever showed up. I have no idea what I clicked on. speaking of Seattle. its interesting none of the 7 theaters the studios used for their roadshow engagements in Manhattan(Criterion, Loews State, RKO Palace, Demille, Warner, Rivoli and Loews Capitol ever wound up showing “adult” films. that apparently is not the case in other cities.
Hello from NYC-
to MSC77. NYC is a big city comprised of five boroughs. but if one eliminates all the neighborhood theaters in the other four boroughs Manhattan alone had countless theaters. but if we narrow our search to just the 1st run theaters that have existed in Manhattan that’s still a hell of a lot of theaters. my question being simple. when I clicked om “all theaters” for Seattle all that comes up is five theaters. you mean in the entire history OF Seattle there have only been 5 movie theaters?
Hello-
being a lifelong film buff I am still a tad confused as to what the term “grindhouse” means. if I am not mistaken this theater played several studio releases after TSON ran here. for instance Apocalypse Now played here after its run at the Ziegfeld.
Hello-
since they’re spending a truckload of $$$ why not just renovate back into a legitimate theater?
Hello-
I thank everyone for their replies about Grimm. an additional question which I should have asked to begin with. would someone who knows the technical side of remastering for a Blu-ray disc explain why a HD transfer can’t be made from the 3 panel print shown at the Dome. if it was in damn good enough condition to show why not? thanks in advance.
Hello-
based on the intro at top this theater which opened as the Strand in 1914 retained its original interior décor till it was converted to Cinerama in 1953?
Hello-
I thank everyone for the info about the 3 panel Grimm print shown at the Dome in Hollywood. I’m guessing a number of older films released on dvd or Blu-ray were mastered from the best quality print of the film that’s available. so if the 3 panel print shown at the Dome is in damn good condition I don’t see why a Blu-ray can’t be mastered from it.
Hello-
if the Dome showed a 3 panel print in 2012 can’t they remaster a Blu-ray disc of it? I’m assuming if the print was in good enough condition to be shown commercially its in good enough condition to use for an HD transfer.
Hello-
to Ed S.– thanks for your reply. my point was simple. I had always been told the 3-panel negative was water damaged beyond repair end of story. but apparently that’s not the case. so the problem so to speak is not the condition of the negative but Warner Home Video spending the $$$ to properly restore it as they' did HTWWW. that’s what I was trying to point out.
speaking of theatrical exhibition. what print was shown at a Cinerama Festival at the Dome in Hollywood a few years back. or for that matter how is Turner Classic Movies able to air it?
Hello-
after Warner Home Video’s immaculate restoration and HD
transfer of How The West Was Won I was eagerly awaiting
the same for The Wonderful World of the Brothers Grimm.
after a few years and zippo I did some inquiries and was told the 3 Panel negative had suffered water damage that was beyond repair. but is it? in the trivia section on the IMDB pg. for the film it paints an entirely different picture as to how “damaged” the 3 panel negative is.
Hello-
to xbs2034- prior to its August 2019 closing i thought theater was always well maintained, helpful staff, clean men’s room etc…… baring this in mind could you please be specific as to what you mean by “looked to be better maintained than its City Cinemas days”?
Hello-
to markp- I thank you for your reply since I know you have personal knowledge in the area. but to reiterate my original comment I think not properly masking screens is a sign of poor showmanship pure and simple. I’m in my 60s and have been an avid moviegoer virtually since I could walk. to which the non-masking of screens is a relatively recent event. so if it was done for all these years why stop now.
Hello-
I know Ryan’s Daughter is this theater’s longest running
film. so how long was the roadshow run of Marooned?
Hello-
to markp- who have been most helpful in answering questions about the technical side of movie exhibition so here goes with a new one. why did theaters come to the decision to stop masking screens? whether a film is shown in the 1.85.1 ratio or the 2.35.1 ratio to see white bars on the top and bottom or at the sides I find distracting. I would say its poor showmanship for theaters to not properly mask screens.
Hello-
to Al A.– as you said in a previous post Kennedy’s book begins with a negative slant so I shouldn’t be surprised by what he says in the book. in your last post you say “in that he is right”. well kind of if you’re talking strictly about box office returns maybe.after The Sound of Music finished its record run at this theater the studios released Oliver, Funny Girl and Fiddler on the Roof all on roadshow engagements. for instance many people consider FOTR the greatest musical ever made.
Hello-
the link to the interview with Kennedy doesn’t seem to work but I did read the interview when the link was first posted. it seems just that he book was going to have a negative viewpoint. his statement referring to Hello Dolly as a “well dressed dinosaur” is the epitome of a left handed compliment. granted Streisand should have been twice the age she was but in terms of her performance Streisand WAS every inch Dolly Levi. I still don’t get the comments about “over produced” musical numbers. one of the things I liked about the film was its lush production numbers. to criticize a film version of Hello Dolly for “over produced” numbers is just plain bizarre.
also in the interview Kennedy refers to Doctor Dolittle as an “ugly bomb”. I always liked the film. plus the recent restord/remastered Blu-ray disc from Twilight Time is A++. people who have never seen the film and are just aware of its somewhat off reputation after viewing the Blu-ray disc will wonder what all the naysayers were talking about.
Hello-
during the exclusive first run of Old Ironsides in 1926 not only did they have a live orchestra playing the score but they had people behind the screen doing sound effects during the battles scenes.
Hello-
I had tickets for a matinee of the Ben-Hur rerelease the day after Judy Garland died. when you entered the lobby right before the theater proper they had portraits of all the great stars that had played the Palace. Garland’s had a black wreath around it.
Hello-
to vindanpar- does Kennedy’s book discuss musical roadshows only of the ‘60s? for me the modern era of roadshows started with Oklahoma(Oct. 1955) to Man of La Mancha (Dec. 1972). while there were many musicals released during the 60s I’m hedging the bet more were released on a continuous performance basis to use an old term rather than on a roadshow basis. in other words if Kennedy sticks to only roadshow musicals of the '60s it must be a shorter book.
Hello-
as I asked a while back what changes if any are being
made to the auditorium itself?
Hello-
I love your comment since I well remember your comments on Kennedy’s book “Musical Roadshows”. I wonder if he even saw Hello Dolly in its original TODD-AO projection at this theater.
Hello-
to be frank a colorblind person would have chosen a better color. I wonder who’s the idiot who chose the color?
Hello-
to ridethectrain. since you post frequently here don’t you find the color of the new seats off-putting? as I said it looks like a pumpkin threw up. plus they’re nowhere near as comfy as the new seats at the AMC/Loews 19 St.