What a great email chain…DuPageDude (aka Dan Murphy) is really Jim DimWitt. His mission is a vendetta, and not the theatre. A point proven time and time again…yet the “arm-chair preservationists” of this site listen to what this fool has to say.
RobertR must be hard of reading. You obviously don’t have a clue as to what goes on in our town. Our town is not dead…in fact it is getting better…check out this link to our shopping mall which is being renovated. By the way there was a house for sale listed at $1.2 million earlier this year in our town.
For all you “arm-chair preservationist” who seem to be enjoying this page, all you need to know is that at least one of their two “supporters” who post regularly on this page (duper or dude) is a rogue member of their group whose agenda is NOT the preservation of the theatre, but to oust a trustee. The other poster is just a bitter person because things did not go their way.
Their babble about backroom deals, and conspiracy deals is ridiculous banter. People not familiar with this situation (i.e. Melders, Lifes too short, RobertR etc.) look like fools when you buy into their dribble.
They refer to us as “anti-preservationist”. What a stupid statement….most of us (neighbor, fiscal insanity, LD4,) have never even met each other. We are not an organized group. We are individual residents who are sick of their lack of progress. We are a large majority.
We want something done. We want it done now. We also don’t want to be left footing the bill if the money is not there.
So you “arm-chair preservationist” should stop attacking us and start on the group who failed this in the first place…the friends.
You obviously don’t have a clue as to what goes on in our town. Our town is not dead…in fact it is getting better…check out this link to our shopping mall which is being renovated.
But I do agree with your comment “If you people spent half the time raising funds that you do posting moronic claims”. Just look at Duper’s ramblings…same stuff over and over again…They have NOT had a fundraiser in a year.
I said “BASICALLY” a straight line….How many people walk under the tracks to go to the flower shop or the hospital, or a run-down theatre? Call me out on a technicality…please! Not many…Main street does not really count. That’s the problem right there, the other towns have grid patterns, where you can walk up and down either way, not true in our town. That’s just how it is laid out, a poor design, it’s just an observation and a fact.
There is one side street (Park) about 200 feet long and about 8 small businesses on it (Tavern, chiropractor, coffee house, antique store, etc.), hardly “many, many businesses on them” as Dude has stated.
If we are going to call each other out on technicalities here’s one: Try going to Praga on a cruise night and get a table…wait time over 1 hour.
Not trying to be antagonistic, just stating facts.
You said “But it (theatre) is certainly a big step in the right direction.” equates to “Build it and they will come”. Whether you meant that or not is not important.
I do agree with your Statement #4 however regarding Condo’s.
The current (failed) plan called 86 condo’s in a small area. There are already available condo’s throughout the downtown.
Dear Life’s too short…apples and oranges. Glen Ellyn and Wheaton’s downtown are constructed in a grid pattern…which promotes “walking around” up and down the streets. Also they are much bigger downtowns with way more shopping. Our downtown is basically a straight line, with very little shopping, and it mostly consists of businesses (Real Estate office, cabinet maker, insurance agent, etc.) and not shopping.
Naperville has the best downtown, by far, and they have NO theatre!
There are very few, if any, vacant storefronts in Lombard, and most of these businesses have moved in since the Dupe has been shuttered. So your “Build it and they will come” philosophy does not fly.
As quoted in the October 4, 2005, Chicago Tribune article that duper posted above:
“Opponents of the project don’t object to restoring the theater but to the village’s funding of it through tax increment financing.
Residents who have had enough and wish to move forward see the need for ‘private investment in the total project, allowing them to take all of the risk involved.’ "
So much for duper’s “anti-preservation” conspiracy theories, it’s right there in black and white.
I find it funny that they quote the self-proclaimed “preservationist” Devitt. He is not even associated with the ‘friends’ anymore and does not live in the town. As was quoted about him earlier “after his political career went down the toilet. Now he has a agenda, and it’s not really the theatre. He just uses it as a pawn….His incoherent ramblings of under the table deals and conspiracy theories are as ridiculous as he is”
No egg on my face, just a big smile as I watch your group (continue) to make fools of yourselves.
Crying over $296,000, frivolous lawsuits, the fact that your group has $0 to show for (almost) 7 years work, and now you guys are scrambling around looking for a fall guy and pointing the finger at anybody as long as it is not yourselves.
Fitzy time to drop it, the grants are gone and the RSC plan stunk, all the crying and whining in the world will not bring them back. And drop the CAPS we get your point.
It seems like duper is fixated ont the grants now. Applications v. grants who cares…six years of work = one grant. The $296 is only 3% of what you need.
1 year since your last fundraiser.
4 months since the Board voted for demolition, and all you have done since then is file a lawsuit.
It’s grant (singular) not grants. The Village paid out between $50,000 and $70,000 (or more) for a Professional grant writer and a lobbyist (back in 2001). In 7 years of work all they could muster was ONE grant for $300K. It was going to be a $8.5 million dollar project so $300K was hradly a dent.
duper you lied about the meetings, the petition, and the rally figures and dupe neighbor verified that fact. You are wrong about the $1200, that is what we were told back in March 2005. Wht don’t you make your finances public? Because you are scared! Because that will prove that support is not there.
WRONG, I was approached at the taste with my family and they said I could include all my children. The 4500 signatures included many children and even your communication director verified that fact. The meeting that went on until meeting was not standing room only. Only 1000 or so were registered voters.
Don’t forget the meeting crowd had so-called anti-preservation people in it, besides room only hold 75. So basically you are saying that everybody who supports it was there.
duper you are a big liar, and I have caught you numerous times. You argue ridiculous facts (standing room only..please). If there was such great support why only $1200 in donations??? That is why I chose this name…challenger…because I felt it was necessary to challenge your statements, figures, and other mistruths.
I will make a deal with you, quit posting misinformation, lies, and other rhetoric, and I will quit posting on this website (unless melders asks me a question).
Melders, The Board meeting was standing room only because of the cell tower issue. When that issue was resolved there we about 25 people left. Board meetings are attended by residents whether or not the Dupe is on the agenda. Plus out of the remaining 25, at least 7 were so-called anti-preservationist, leaving you with about 18 friends. Get you facts straight please.
Answer my question: Please tell me how counting my 3 children (ages 5, 3, and 2) as part of your scientific poll counts?
duper when did they submit 45,000??? I thought it was 4,500, or did you just run off ten copies and turn them in? Anybody notice how the number keeps growing miraculously?!?!
You said 3 (THREE) key words, yet listed only 2, what was the 3rd one?
I never said it was a scientific or unscientific poll. Tell me how your poll of asking random people, and their children, from all over if they support the theatre without telling them that tax money is involved is a ‘scientific’ poll? Please tell me how counting my 3 children (ages 5, 3, and 2) as part of your scientific poll counts?
All I was doing was answering Melders question(s).
Melders,
If I were a ‘friend’ I could say I spoke to 44,000, and then attack anybody who disputes that number.
Have I spoke to 1,000? Indirectly, YES, if I get to count children. It would be easier to count the people I know who support it…ONE. A woman I take the train with, but she changed her mind when she found out it wasn’t going to be a movie theatre. You see, not everybody who supports it really understands what it is going to be.
Sight seen on the train station which overlooks the theatre; one morning last summer some pro-theatre person is gathering signatures for support (They spend more time gathering signatures than gathering money). Anyway a resident tells him “no way I’m signing it”, the pro-theatre starts arguing with him (they always do that), and then before you know it there are at least 75 people laughing this pro-theatre person right off the platform. Nobody rushed to his support.
So at soccer games, softball, church, PTA, parties, festivals, my neighbors houses, restaurants, bars, etc. nobody supports this place. In fact the only people we see supporting this place are the same 18 people that: go to every Board meeting, appear in the local tabloid newspaper, gather signatures, attend pancake breakfasts, attended the rally, etc.
Thanks for the comment. Based on your response EVERYTHING you have done is a success. If your group is such a ‘success’ then why are bids being accepted on demolition?
That’s your downfall Deb, sorry if you don’t agree.
melders you are missing my point, they say there is overwhelming support, when actually support is weak. People have grown tired of watching the theatre deteriorate, and are growing real tired of listening to the group bashing, name-calling, threatening, etc…The support is there, but it is weak.
Their strategy is “convince people that the support is there, stick with our last plan, give us the tax money, and this thing will work”.
They need to drop their flawed strategy. “My way or the highway”
What is absurd is that they keep sticking to their stories.
What is absurd is that they keep sticking to their same failed plan.
What is absurd is that they keep using their same failed strategy.
What is absurd is that they keep looking for a ‘fall’ guy other than themselves.
Duper, you are right about one thing, I mixed you and your buddy dupagedude up again. My apologies. At least I can admit when I am wrong.
Somebody told me there were between 8500-9500 homes in town. I will be generous and give you credit for 500 signs. Still only about 5%.
As for the rally I walked right through it so they must have counted me too. 60 or 200, it was an embarrassing sight to see. And your prople were gathering signatures throughout the whole cruise nights by walking up the streets, most of the people who signed it did not walk to the rally.
Almost as bad as your recent threats of a lawsuit. The only thing left for you to do is chain yourself to the safety fence come bulldozer day.
LD4,
What a great email chain…DuPageDude (aka Dan Murphy) is really Jim DimWitt. His mission is a vendetta, and not the theatre. A point proven time and time again…yet the “arm-chair preservationists” of this site listen to what this fool has to say.
RobertR must be hard of reading. You obviously don’t have a clue as to what goes on in our town. Our town is not dead…in fact it is getting better…check out this link to our shopping mall which is being renovated. By the way there was a house for sale listed at $1.2 million earlier this year in our town.
http://www.yorktowncenter.com/butterfield.htm
For all you “arm-chair preservationist” who seem to be enjoying this page, all you need to know is that at least one of their two “supporters” who post regularly on this page (duper or dude) is a rogue member of their group whose agenda is NOT the preservation of the theatre, but to oust a trustee. The other poster is just a bitter person because things did not go their way.
Their babble about backroom deals, and conspiracy deals is ridiculous banter. People not familiar with this situation (i.e. Melders, Lifes too short, RobertR etc.) look like fools when you buy into their dribble.
They refer to us as “anti-preservationist”. What a stupid statement….most of us (neighbor, fiscal insanity, LD4,) have never even met each other. We are not an organized group. We are individual residents who are sick of their lack of progress. We are a large majority.
We want something done. We want it done now. We also don’t want to be left footing the bill if the money is not there.
So you “arm-chair preservationist” should stop attacking us and start on the group who failed this in the first place…the friends.
Unless you support “preservation at any cost”.
Duper,
Please wipe the egg off your face.
Also, please using the CAPS Lock key.
RobertR,
You obviously don’t have a clue as to what goes on in our town. Our town is not dead…in fact it is getting better…check out this link to our shopping mall which is being renovated.
http://www.yorktowncenter.com/butterfield.htm
But I do agree with your comment “If you people spent half the time raising funds that you do posting moronic claims”. Just look at Duper’s ramblings…same stuff over and over again…They have NOT had a fundraiser in a year.
Dude, (aka JD)
I said “BASICALLY” a straight line….How many people walk under the tracks to go to the flower shop or the hospital, or a run-down theatre? Call me out on a technicality…please! Not many…Main street does not really count. That’s the problem right there, the other towns have grid patterns, where you can walk up and down either way, not true in our town. That’s just how it is laid out, a poor design, it’s just an observation and a fact.
There is one side street (Park) about 200 feet long and about 8 small businesses on it (Tavern, chiropractor, coffee house, antique store, etc.), hardly “many, many businesses on them” as Dude has stated.
If we are going to call each other out on technicalities here’s one: Try going to Praga on a cruise night and get a table…wait time over 1 hour.
Dear LFT,
Not trying to be antagonistic, just stating facts.
You said “But it (theatre) is certainly a big step in the right direction.” equates to “Build it and they will come”. Whether you meant that or not is not important.
I do agree with your Statement #4 however regarding Condo’s.
The current (failed) plan called 86 condo’s in a small area. There are already available condo’s throughout the downtown.
Dear Life’s too short…apples and oranges. Glen Ellyn and Wheaton’s downtown are constructed in a grid pattern…which promotes “walking around” up and down the streets. Also they are much bigger downtowns with way more shopping. Our downtown is basically a straight line, with very little shopping, and it mostly consists of businesses (Real Estate office, cabinet maker, insurance agent, etc.) and not shopping.
Naperville has the best downtown, by far, and they have NO theatre!
There are very few, if any, vacant storefronts in Lombard, and most of these businesses have moved in since the Dupe has been shuttered. So your “Build it and they will come” philosophy does not fly.
As quoted in the October 4, 2005, Chicago Tribune article that duper posted above:
“Opponents of the project don’t object to restoring the theater but to the village’s funding of it through tax increment financing.
Residents who have had enough and wish to move forward see the need for ‘private investment in the total project, allowing them to take all of the risk involved.’ "
So much for duper’s “anti-preservation” conspiracy theories, it’s right there in black and white.
I find it funny that they quote the self-proclaimed “preservationist” Devitt. He is not even associated with the ‘friends’ anymore and does not live in the town. As was quoted about him earlier “after his political career went down the toilet. Now he has a agenda, and it’s not really the theatre. He just uses it as a pawn….His incoherent ramblings of under the table deals and conspiracy theories are as ridiculous as he is”
Fitzy, you need to calm down. We all no you are a bitter little man over losing the only thing your group accomplished in 6 years…ONE STINKING GRANT.
Malicious whining seem to be your only forte.
No egg on my face, just a big smile as I watch your group (continue) to make fools of yourselves.
Crying over $296,000, frivolous lawsuits, the fact that your group has $0 to show for (almost) 7 years work, and now you guys are scrambling around looking for a fall guy and pointing the finger at anybody as long as it is not yourselves.
Fitzy time to drop it, the grants are gone and the RSC plan stunk, all the crying and whining in the world will not bring them back. And drop the CAPS we get your point.
Duper, so your agenda is NOT the theatre, instead your agenda is against the Trustee(s).
No wonder your group failed.
Makes you wonder what’s really going on…
It seems like duper is fixated ont the grants now. Applications v. grants who cares…six years of work = one grant. The $296 is only 3% of what you need.
1 year since your last fundraiser.
4 months since the Board voted for demolition, and all you have done since then is file a lawsuit.
Smokescreen alert!!!
In 7 years of work all they could muster was ONE grant for $300K (actually $296K). Now they probably lost it and they are crying about it.
Bids coming in from 9 demolition contracters, contract to be awarded Oct. 6. Demolition could start immediately.
It’s grant (singular) not grants. The Village paid out between $50,000 and $70,000 (or more) for a Professional grant writer and a lobbyist (back in 2001). In 7 years of work all they could muster was ONE grant for $300K. It was going to be a $8.5 million dollar project so $300K was hradly a dent.
Get your facts straight Fitzy
Is duper really fitzpatrick? No wonder his emails never make sense.
duper you lied about the meetings, the petition, and the rally figures and dupe neighbor verified that fact. You are wrong about the $1200, that is what we were told back in March 2005. Wht don’t you make your finances public? Because you are scared! Because that will prove that support is not there.
WRONG, I was approached at the taste with my family and they said I could include all my children. The 4500 signatures included many children and even your communication director verified that fact. The meeting that went on until meeting was not standing room only. Only 1000 or so were registered voters.
Don’t forget the meeting crowd had so-called anti-preservation people in it, besides room only hold 75. So basically you are saying that everybody who supports it was there.
duper you are a big liar, and I have caught you numerous times. You argue ridiculous facts (standing room only..please). If there was such great support why only $1200 in donations??? That is why I chose this name…challenger…because I felt it was necessary to challenge your statements, figures, and other mistruths.
I will make a deal with you, quit posting misinformation, lies, and other rhetoric, and I will quit posting on this website (unless melders asks me a question).
Melders, The Board meeting was standing room only because of the cell tower issue. When that issue was resolved there we about 25 people left. Board meetings are attended by residents whether or not the Dupe is on the agenda. Plus out of the remaining 25, at least 7 were so-called anti-preservationist, leaving you with about 18 friends. Get you facts straight please.
Answer my question: Please tell me how counting my 3 children (ages 5, 3, and 2) as part of your scientific poll counts?
duper when did they submit 45,000??? I thought it was 4,500, or did you just run off ten copies and turn them in? Anybody notice how the number keeps growing miraculously?!?!
You said 3 (THREE) key words, yet listed only 2, what was the 3rd one?
I never said it was a scientific or unscientific poll. Tell me how your poll of asking random people, and their children, from all over if they support the theatre without telling them that tax money is involved is a ‘scientific’ poll? Please tell me how counting my 3 children (ages 5, 3, and 2) as part of your scientific poll counts?
All I was doing was answering Melders question(s).
Melders,
If I were a ‘friend’ I could say I spoke to 44,000, and then attack anybody who disputes that number.
Have I spoke to 1,000? Indirectly, YES, if I get to count children. It would be easier to count the people I know who support it…ONE. A woman I take the train with, but she changed her mind when she found out it wasn’t going to be a movie theatre. You see, not everybody who supports it really understands what it is going to be.
Sight seen on the train station which overlooks the theatre; one morning last summer some pro-theatre person is gathering signatures for support (They spend more time gathering signatures than gathering money). Anyway a resident tells him “no way I’m signing it”, the pro-theatre starts arguing with him (they always do that), and then before you know it there are at least 75 people laughing this pro-theatre person right off the platform. Nobody rushed to his support.
So at soccer games, softball, church, PTA, parties, festivals, my neighbors houses, restaurants, bars, etc. nobody supports this place. In fact the only people we see supporting this place are the same 18 people that: go to every Board meeting, appear in the local tabloid newspaper, gather signatures, attend pancake breakfasts, attended the rally, etc.
Welcome back Deb,
Thanks for the comment. Based on your response EVERYTHING you have done is a success. If your group is such a ‘success’ then why are bids being accepted on demolition?
That’s your downfall Deb, sorry if you don’t agree.
melders you are missing my point, they say there is overwhelming support, when actually support is weak. People have grown tired of watching the theatre deteriorate, and are growing real tired of listening to the group bashing, name-calling, threatening, etc…The support is there, but it is weak.
Their strategy is “convince people that the support is there, stick with our last plan, give us the tax money, and this thing will work”.
They need to drop their flawed strategy. “My way or the highway”
Brain, don’t read it, very simple solution.
What is absurd is that they keep sticking to their stories.
What is absurd is that they keep sticking to their same failed plan.
What is absurd is that they keep using their same failed strategy.
What is absurd is that they keep looking for a ‘fall’ guy other than themselves.
Duper, you are right about one thing, I mixed you and your buddy dupagedude up again. My apologies. At least I can admit when I am wrong.
Somebody told me there were between 8500-9500 homes in town. I will be generous and give you credit for 500 signs. Still only about 5%.
As for the rally I walked right through it so they must have counted me too. 60 or 200, it was an embarrassing sight to see. And your prople were gathering signatures throughout the whole cruise nights by walking up the streets, most of the people who signed it did not walk to the rally.
Almost as bad as your recent threats of a lawsuit. The only thing left for you to do is chain yourself to the safety fence come bulldozer day.