which screen did you find the 3D blurry at times for Spiderman, #7 or #10?
And in what way was it blurry?
It’s not blurry in #8 (IMAX).
Just wondering if they ever fixed the problem where the R,G,B alignment for the projection on screens 7 and 10 was out of wack (nothing to do with 3D itself though) which produced color fringing and made things look a touch blurry in a weird way across the entire screen, all the time.
15 and #6 have really good projection (as does the IMAX, although it obviously doesn’t do 4k like it seems 15 and 6 can). I don’t think they ever show 3D in #15 and #6 so it probably doesn’t hurt that the projector is locked into single projection, no polarized mode either. Those two always seem to have deep blacks (for non-Laser, non-Dolby, non-IMAX, at least), strong contrast, bright projection, very crisp, rich colors, nice gamma and calibration and so on.
never mind, in the case of A Ghost Story, the curved edges are correct, it uses the old NTSC format and they purposely also added curves on top to make it look like older TVs
Those vibrating seats basically stick a giant ultra sub-woofer under every single seat. Total gimmick IMO. I sat in one in a non-DOlby theater and it was annoying at times and sometimes it kinda rattles your neck and head and it left my ears buzzing for a week.
As far the Dolby goes not sure how I feel about that either. Apparently they can’t legally put in a screen bigger than the IMAX so that doesn’t seem to give them much room to enlarge #16,#1,or #9 any so it seems like just a way to pay twice the ticket price you do for one of the three other largest screens just to get recliner seats (which also means way less seats and a much bigger rush on tickets at the big screens).
It sounds like it would be laser projection though which is great. OTOH it sounds like they might go for those vibro seats which I really do not like at all. Very distracting and sometimes uncomfortable IMO.
I hope they give the vibro seats on-off buttons at least.
I think they might be going to assigned seating for the IMAX too. Not entirely sure how I feel about that.
All I know is I was in there for Ghost in the Shell and all the seats had numbers and the aisles had row letters. I could swear that stuff was never there before. For a second I was like did I somehow accidentally drive way out to Paramus instead of Rockaway? hah.
Also I was even more wrong about Rockaway having the largest or tied for largest regular digital IMAX in the region. Paramus one is definitely bigger (contrary to the way someone on that thread had described it) and I suspect the New Brunswick IMAX is bigger (although it’s not verified) and I think there might be one more as well, one that might be the largest of them all in far eastern NJ.
The projection in #7 is off and it’s been off for a good two years now. They need to get someone to re-calibrate the projector as the R,G,B are not all aligned and everything has bit of color fringing and the overall resolution comes across low.
I’ve only seen a movie in #12 once, pretty recently, not sure if it was a one time thing or what, but the black levels were really high and the contrast low and it was really faded out. They seem to put stuff they are about to drop in that theater so maybe it’s just a really old, worn out projector? Or maybe it’s a good one but the calibration for levels is set way, way wrong.
Haven’t seen one in #10 for a long time but the last time I did it was like #7, only to an even greater degree, huge purple and yellow fringing problem.
I think the projection is calibrated and set properly on all the other screens though (although some of the recent Fathom stuff in #16 has been off, first it was crushed blacks and hyper contrast, now it has none of those issue but a bit faded blacks and low contrast and dim but not that bad and better than before but not as good as once upon a time before their Fathom events projection broke a couple years ago or so).
Oh #4 though, maybe they have fixed it, but when I peeked in a few weeks ago they had the projector misaligned from the screen more than I have ever seen. Literally at least the entire top 4' of the screen had no image and the bottom of the image was projected at least 4' below where the screen ended. A real mess. It was probably even farther off than that actually. So despite a decent screen size, if that is not corrected I’d avoid #4 for now. (should be a super trivial correction)
Made a mistake. Took a closer look at Screen #4 across from the food and it’s actually not one the smallest screens. It’s one of the larger ones, like #1, although not nearly as big as #2 IMAX,#3 Dolby, #5. I think it’s actually #6 or #7 off in the corner that might be the really small one.
I think it goes #2,3,5 are really big to huge. #1,#4 are fairly big. #12 is decent. The rest are all smaller size, although most of them are still almost as large as the largest screens at those old 70s/80s mall type theaters that had lots of shoebox screens. #6 or 7 might be pretty small though.
The number of seats doesn’t seem all that tied to the screen size here and it appears can vary a lot for the same size screen.
Not sure why they have those on. I didn’t think the ceiling lights had been on at all when I went to this theater, although I could be wrong. They were definitely off at Reading.
Ah, OK so you wear glasses. I think that explains it.
(that person with me wore glasses and saw doubling but no reflections, but with glasses that makes a lot more chances for things to go badly and reflections to crop up, I never wear glasses to movies, glasses also make things look smaller than contacts so screen size seems less impressive too)
Maybe they got rid of the bad glasses, but for SW there were definitely a lot of bad ones at this theater unless we were so insanely unlucky to have like the only 2 bad ones out of hundreds (I also note a few other people have mentioned some weird doubling on parts of the screen here too so I think it’s got to be, or at least used to be, could still be, some to many bum glasses here even if all of them are not).
The glasses at Reading were different, even smaller lenses, but perfect (at least for contact or no glasses wearers). I wish they had kept the old ones for non-glasses wearers and just experimented with special ones for glasses wearers since it seems they messed them up totally for non-glasses wearers (although maybe it was simply poor QC on many of the pairs and nothing directly to do with that). (I also wonder if wearing glasses maybe somehow let you see more just through the center of the lens and avoid doubling even with bad glasses if your prescription is of a certain sort?).
The bitching is because the glasses are messed up here. Many of the pairs only have the coating applied to the very center of the right lens so you get left and right signal into parts of the right eye field of vision.
At the other laser IMAX install I went to they had different glasses and it was perfection.
For me it was the opposite. Right eye coated badly on both pairs of glasses lead to ghosting on left side of the screen (verified by person I was with). Neither of us saw our face in the glasses or had any reflection problems.
Polarized IMAX actually does have tiny levels of doubling (and if you see it on a screen that was not meant for it, as I have seen happen with a Real 3D screen at one theater, you can even get extreme doubling at times across the entire screen). The Laser system where they block frequencies can provide a 100% perfect experience. They are not using the old Dolby 3D system but something way better and more advanced since with lasers than can tun the primaries perfectly and use sharp cut filters that really cut things perfectly and also have a wide gamut and very rich colors.
I guess something about the angles on your face vs our faces changes the angles of reflection so we saw nothing while you had issues (or maybe that we sat way near the very back helps something about the angles of reflection and incident light, etc). Not sure why you saw no doubling, maybe only a certain percentage of the glasses are bad, maybe you didn’t realize it, maybe your eyes are wide set (which would have switched the problem from left side to instead far left and far right and maybe out there you didn’t pay it as much mind? espcieally perhaps not having even seen a fully working laser 3D imax and not knowing how much mind blowingly better it can be than the polarized type? or maybe you did just luck out with properly made glasses.
Wouldn’t a grand opening ad actually be 100% on topic though? If this site is about the history of movie theaters how is that not on topic?
Maybe some of the other posts were all over the place, but how is this possibly not 100% on topic?
Look at books or threads here on some of the classic old cinemas and they feature grand opening ads and such when they can.
Yeah it’s gotta be way bigger than the one at Empire. The Empire IMAX isn’t even all that large as regular digital IMAX screen goes and the Dolby is not allowed to be bigger and yet the Loews screen here is already noticeably larger than the IMAX at Empire if my info is correct (65' screen?). I was there at a premiere once and it seemed pretty large, although the auditorium was so different than most I’ve been in recently it was a little trickier to judge exact dimensions, but it felt at least upper 50' wide and could have been 65'.
Ziegfeld was cool, really a shame that was lost. That said, it’s screen wasn’t really all that huge. It was smaller than most regular digital IMAX screens wasn’t it? I think the actual screen size was only 50'. That was large by old 70s multiplex standards but nothing special by any old modern, suburban multiplex standard and not like the 60'-65' screens some of the single screen palaces in the region used to have.
With properly made glasses though the laser system can allow for much better 3D with ZERO ghosting. Believe me the Reading install with the type 1 glasses was beyond phenomemonal 3D, miles better than all that polarized stuff. Miles better.
I don’t trust this theater for their type 2 glasses where the right lens doesn’t filter out the left eye signal well, only in a thin band in the middle of the right lenses. Ridiculous.
As far as I was concerned everything about the Reading Laser IMAX theater is perfection other than for the sound being way too loud (incredible quality just way insanely too loud, for sure these volumes will lead to permanent hearing damage if you see movies at any remote regularity without heavy duty ear plugs (at which point you lose all the amazing quality of the speakers) and I’m not really crazy about the butt kickers in the seats, maybe adds to it at times sure, but can also be uncomfortable too and rattle your head and neck and sometimes a little distracting, depending.
(this install also as the same insane volume levels of course, most theaters today do with IMAX ones though always guaranteed to always be uncomfortable and ear damaging and even louder than 85% or more of other super loud theaters; people have used sound meters and found peaks at least 117dB and sustained levels of 100dB and some movies at the louder theaters these days AVERAGING 95dB over two hours, I think someone found a showing that averaged 100dB for like 1hr45m)
@CHH32 “besides the blue lights on the floor, I don’t know if anyone has noticed, they also left a row of the ceiling lights on after the movie started(Not sure if they are lights or holes). They are straightly above the EXIT signs near the two entrances. You could see them when you look up or look at the walls above the EXIT signs, especially during the dark scenes”
I didn’t quite notice that or at least not note it to remember, but maybe it explains while the blacks, while pretty excellent compared to what you see anywhere today, still didn’t strike as quite the perfection they were in Reading with their Laser system run in a virtually pitch black theater.
@ vertigoman – “I can see the reflection of my own eyeballs in the glasses”
hmm that’s weird, you mean as sort of a general reflected blur or sharp details, since the glasses are only like what ½" inch from your pupil and that is way too close to see crisp detail, nobody can focus that close unless they are both very nearsighted and not wearing glasses or contacts (at which point the screen would be a total blur), unless they are doing some weird projection somehow
I wsih to hell Reading had not watched everyone exiting like hawks and I had been able to pocket a couple pairs of the working type 1 glasses. Could clean them up nicely and not have to worry about the typical dirty wreck that IMAX glasses are or the double vision mess of the faulty type 2 glasses.
That’s a shame then since I was hoping they were going 2D here since they’d finally admitted they didn’t coat the right lenses properly here.
As far as the blue light goes, I always sit dead center for 3D stuff and on a screen like this I’d never sit lower 1/3. Where I was the blue light stuff could not be seen (that said the blacks didn’t seem quite as utterly pitch as they did up in Reading where they really, really turn the house lights down old school, they just had the barest hints of lights on a few steps, it was awesomely dark like before everyone because paranoid of lawsuits for people tripping).
I’m surprised you could clearly see your own reflection since they glasses are so close they are too close for an eye too focus on, maybe you means something slightly different and maybe it only happens with bad seats like off to the edge (always terrible idea for any 3D movie just in general since it tends to confuse the eyes since the 3D projection was programmed for a head on view so it can cause eye fatigue or feel slightly off in an indescribable way) and way up front (maybe being that close lets the screen reflect into your eyes more off the lenses?). Whatever the case I didn’t see that with type 1 or type 2 glasses (I did see tons of reflections at Reading BEFORE the house ceiling lights got turned off, but who cares at that point, once they turned it off to start the movie it was just perfection).
I just wish to hell they had stuck with the type 1 glasses which gave a truly awesome, utterly perfect experience. Went from hands down the best, most revolutionary projection experience to a total mess with the faulty type 2 glasses and the ridiculously skinny little part in the center they coated the right lenses. I know the coatings are expensive but come on, cover the lens.
which screen did you find the 3D blurry at times for Spiderman, #7 or #10? And in what way was it blurry? It’s not blurry in #8 (IMAX).
Just wondering if they ever fixed the problem where the R,G,B alignment for the projection on screens 7 and 10 was out of wack (nothing to do with 3D itself though) which produced color fringing and made things look a touch blurry in a weird way across the entire screen, all the time.
15 and #6 have really good projection (as does the IMAX, although it obviously doesn’t do 4k like it seems 15 and 6 can). I don’t think they ever show 3D in #15 and #6 so it probably doesn’t hurt that the projector is locked into single projection, no polarized mode either. Those two always seem to have deep blacks (for non-Laser, non-Dolby, non-IMAX, at least), strong contrast, bright projection, very crisp, rich colors, nice gamma and calibration and so on.
never mind, in the case of A Ghost Story, the curved edges are correct, it uses the old NTSC format and they purposely also added curves on top to make it look like older TVs
I wonder if the curved edges were some projection mistake? I saw something in #1 once and it had some curved edges and it definitely should not have.
Gotta be soon. Just noticed #9 has not shown any movies for the last couple of weeks.
Those vibrating seats basically stick a giant ultra sub-woofer under every single seat. Total gimmick IMO. I sat in one in a non-DOlby theater and it was annoying at times and sometimes it kinda rattles your neck and head and it left my ears buzzing for a week.
As far the Dolby goes not sure how I feel about that either. Apparently they can’t legally put in a screen bigger than the IMAX so that doesn’t seem to give them much room to enlarge #16,#1,or #9 any so it seems like just a way to pay twice the ticket price you do for one of the three other largest screens just to get recliner seats (which also means way less seats and a much bigger rush on tickets at the big screens).
It sounds like it would be laser projection though which is great. OTOH it sounds like they might go for those vibro seats which I really do not like at all. Very distracting and sometimes uncomfortable IMO. I hope they give the vibro seats on-off buttons at least.
I think they might be going to assigned seating for the IMAX too. Not entirely sure how I feel about that.
All I know is I was in there for Ghost in the Shell and all the seats had numbers and the aisles had row letters. I could swear that stuff was never there before. For a second I was like did I somehow accidentally drive way out to Paramus instead of Rockaway? hah.
Also I was even more wrong about Rockaway having the largest or tied for largest regular digital IMAX in the region. Paramus one is definitely bigger (contrary to the way someone on that thread had described it) and I suspect the New Brunswick IMAX is bigger (although it’s not verified) and I think there might be one more as well, one that might be the largest of them all in far eastern NJ.
The projection in #7 is off and it’s been off for a good two years now. They need to get someone to re-calibrate the projector as the R,G,B are not all aligned and everything has bit of color fringing and the overall resolution comes across low.
I’ve only seen a movie in #12 once, pretty recently, not sure if it was a one time thing or what, but the black levels were really high and the contrast low and it was really faded out. They seem to put stuff they are about to drop in that theater so maybe it’s just a really old, worn out projector? Or maybe it’s a good one but the calibration for levels is set way, way wrong.
Haven’t seen one in #10 for a long time but the last time I did it was like #7, only to an even greater degree, huge purple and yellow fringing problem.
I think the projection is calibrated and set properly on all the other screens though (although some of the recent Fathom stuff in #16 has been off, first it was crushed blacks and hyper contrast, now it has none of those issue but a bit faded blacks and low contrast and dim but not that bad and better than before but not as good as once upon a time before their Fathom events projection broke a couple years ago or so).
Oh #4 though, maybe they have fixed it, but when I peeked in a few weeks ago they had the projector misaligned from the screen more than I have ever seen. Literally at least the entire top 4' of the screen had no image and the bottom of the image was projected at least 4' below where the screen ended. A real mess. It was probably even farther off than that actually. So despite a decent screen size, if that is not corrected I’d avoid #4 for now. (should be a super trivial correction)
Made a mistake. Took a closer look at Screen #4 across from the food and it’s actually not one the smallest screens. It’s one of the larger ones, like #1, although not nearly as big as #2 IMAX,#3 Dolby, #5. I think it’s actually #6 or #7 off in the corner that might be the really small one.
I think it goes #2,3,5 are really big to huge. #1,#4 are fairly big. #12 is decent. The rest are all smaller size, although most of them are still almost as large as the largest screens at those old 70s/80s mall type theaters that had lots of shoebox screens. #6 or 7 might be pretty small though.
The number of seats doesn’t seem all that tied to the screen size here and it appears can vary a lot for the same size screen.
We have spoken to management. We are not posting random listings about showings or whatnot. There is no official facebook for this theater.
And come on twitter? 144 characters?
Neither of those places gets any movie theater discussion going on.
This is a place for knowledgeable people to get a clue about the size of screens, type of projection, what the current status of projection is, etc.
Not sure why they have those on. I didn’t think the ceiling lights had been on at all when I went to this theater, although I could be wrong. They were definitely off at Reading.
Ah, OK so you wear glasses. I think that explains it. (that person with me wore glasses and saw doubling but no reflections, but with glasses that makes a lot more chances for things to go badly and reflections to crop up, I never wear glasses to movies, glasses also make things look smaller than contacts so screen size seems less impressive too)
Maybe they got rid of the bad glasses, but for SW there were definitely a lot of bad ones at this theater unless we were so insanely unlucky to have like the only 2 bad ones out of hundreds (I also note a few other people have mentioned some weird doubling on parts of the screen here too so I think it’s got to be, or at least used to be, could still be, some to many bum glasses here even if all of them are not).
The glasses at Reading were different, even smaller lenses, but perfect (at least for contact or no glasses wearers). I wish they had kept the old ones for non-glasses wearers and just experimented with special ones for glasses wearers since it seems they messed them up totally for non-glasses wearers (although maybe it was simply poor QC on many of the pairs and nothing directly to do with that). (I also wonder if wearing glasses maybe somehow let you see more just through the center of the lens and avoid doubling even with bad glasses if your prescription is of a certain sort?).
The bitching is because the glasses are messed up here. Many of the pairs only have the coating applied to the very center of the right lens so you get left and right signal into parts of the right eye field of vision.
At the other laser IMAX install I went to they had different glasses and it was perfection.
For me it was the opposite. Right eye coated badly on both pairs of glasses lead to ghosting on left side of the screen (verified by person I was with). Neither of us saw our face in the glasses or had any reflection problems.
Polarized IMAX actually does have tiny levels of doubling (and if you see it on a screen that was not meant for it, as I have seen happen with a Real 3D screen at one theater, you can even get extreme doubling at times across the entire screen). The Laser system where they block frequencies can provide a 100% perfect experience. They are not using the old Dolby 3D system but something way better and more advanced since with lasers than can tun the primaries perfectly and use sharp cut filters that really cut things perfectly and also have a wide gamut and very rich colors.
I guess something about the angles on your face vs our faces changes the angles of reflection so we saw nothing while you had issues (or maybe that we sat way near the very back helps something about the angles of reflection and incident light, etc). Not sure why you saw no doubling, maybe only a certain percentage of the glasses are bad, maybe you didn’t realize it, maybe your eyes are wide set (which would have switched the problem from left side to instead far left and far right and maybe out there you didn’t pay it as much mind? espcieally perhaps not having even seen a fully working laser 3D imax and not knowing how much mind blowingly better it can be than the polarized type? or maybe you did just luck out with properly made glasses.
Wouldn’t a grand opening ad actually be 100% on topic though? If this site is about the history of movie theaters how is that not on topic? Maybe some of the other posts were all over the place, but how is this possibly not 100% on topic? Look at books or threads here on some of the classic old cinemas and they feature grand opening ads and such when they can.
no, that would be cool
I did find a grand opening ad for the 2000+ seat old Stanley Warner Paramus, anyway this is the wrong thread for that.
Yeah it’s gotta be way bigger than the one at Empire. The Empire IMAX isn’t even all that large as regular digital IMAX screen goes and the Dolby is not allowed to be bigger and yet the Loews screen here is already noticeably larger than the IMAX at Empire if my info is correct (65' screen?). I was there at a premiere once and it seemed pretty large, although the auditorium was so different than most I’ve been in recently it was a little trickier to judge exact dimensions, but it felt at least upper 50' wide and could have been 65'.
Ziegfeld was cool, really a shame that was lost. That said, it’s screen wasn’t really all that huge. It was smaller than most regular digital IMAX screens wasn’t it? I think the actual screen size was only 50'. That was large by old 70s multiplex standards but nothing special by any old modern, suburban multiplex standard and not like the 60'-65' screens some of the single screen palaces in the region used to have.
With properly made glasses though the laser system can allow for much better 3D with ZERO ghosting. Believe me the Reading install with the type 1 glasses was beyond phenomemonal 3D, miles better than all that polarized stuff. Miles better.
I don’t trust this theater for their type 2 glasses where the right lens doesn’t filter out the left eye signal well, only in a thin band in the middle of the right lenses. Ridiculous.
As far as I was concerned everything about the Reading Laser IMAX theater is perfection other than for the sound being way too loud (incredible quality just way insanely too loud, for sure these volumes will lead to permanent hearing damage if you see movies at any remote regularity without heavy duty ear plugs (at which point you lose all the amazing quality of the speakers) and I’m not really crazy about the butt kickers in the seats, maybe adds to it at times sure, but can also be uncomfortable too and rattle your head and neck and sometimes a little distracting, depending.
(this install also as the same insane volume levels of course, most theaters today do with IMAX ones though always guaranteed to always be uncomfortable and ear damaging and even louder than 85% or more of other super loud theaters; people have used sound meters and found peaks at least 117dB and sustained levels of 100dB and some movies at the louder theaters these days AVERAGING 95dB over two hours, I think someone found a showing that averaged 100dB for like 1hr45m)
@CHH32 “besides the blue lights on the floor, I don’t know if anyone has noticed, they also left a row of the ceiling lights on after the movie started(Not sure if they are lights or holes). They are straightly above the EXIT signs near the two entrances. You could see them when you look up or look at the walls above the EXIT signs, especially during the dark scenes”
I didn’t quite notice that or at least not note it to remember, but maybe it explains while the blacks, while pretty excellent compared to what you see anywhere today, still didn’t strike as quite the perfection they were in Reading with their Laser system run in a virtually pitch black theater.
@ vertigoman – “I can see the reflection of my own eyeballs in the glasses”
hmm that’s weird, you mean as sort of a general reflected blur or sharp details, since the glasses are only like what ½" inch from your pupil and that is way too close to see crisp detail, nobody can focus that close unless they are both very nearsighted and not wearing glasses or contacts (at which point the screen would be a total blur), unless they are doing some weird projection somehow
were those type 1 or type 2 glasses or both?
I wsih to hell Reading had not watched everyone exiting like hawks and I had been able to pocket a couple pairs of the working type 1 glasses. Could clean them up nicely and not have to worry about the typical dirty wreck that IMAX glasses are or the double vision mess of the faulty type 2 glasses.
That’s a shame then since I was hoping they were going 2D here since they’d finally admitted they didn’t coat the right lenses properly here.
As far as the blue light goes, I always sit dead center for 3D stuff and on a screen like this I’d never sit lower 1/3. Where I was the blue light stuff could not be seen (that said the blacks didn’t seem quite as utterly pitch as they did up in Reading where they really, really turn the house lights down old school, they just had the barest hints of lights on a few steps, it was awesomely dark like before everyone because paranoid of lawsuits for people tripping).
I’m surprised you could clearly see your own reflection since they glasses are so close they are too close for an eye too focus on, maybe you means something slightly different and maybe it only happens with bad seats like off to the edge (always terrible idea for any 3D movie just in general since it tends to confuse the eyes since the 3D projection was programmed for a head on view so it can cause eye fatigue or feel slightly off in an indescribable way) and way up front (maybe being that close lets the screen reflect into your eyes more off the lenses?). Whatever the case I didn’t see that with type 1 or type 2 glasses (I did see tons of reflections at Reading BEFORE the house ceiling lights got turned off, but who cares at that point, once they turned it off to start the movie it was just perfection).
I just wish to hell they had stuck with the type 1 glasses which gave a truly awesome, utterly perfect experience. Went from hands down the best, most revolutionary projection experience to a total mess with the faulty type 2 glasses and the ridiculously skinny little part in the center they coated the right lenses. I know the coatings are expensive but come on, cover the lens.
Rockaway has been AMC since since day one, since the early 80s at least, maybe very late 70s.
plus AMC card discounts add up and free online ticketing, etc.