DuPage Theater
109 S. Main Street,
Lombard,
IL
60148
109 S. Main Street,
Lombard,
IL
60148
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Challenger said when he was asked if he(Challenger) spoke to 1,000
residents.His answer was “ INDIRECTLY,YES,if I (Challenger )get to count children….One ,a woman I (challenger) take the train with,but she changed her mind when she found out it wasn’t going to be a movie theatre."
There are three key words that will show just where Challenger
is on the issue of the restoration of the theatre.
1. Challenger uses the words “INDIRECTLY , YES. ”
2 One, a woman I take to the train.
Challenger says “there is no support for the theatre”.
How can Challenger say there is no suppotr for the theatre by his TOTALL UNSCIENTIFIC POLL?
Let the record show that the “friends” presented to the village board 45,000 names and addresses of support for saving the theatre.
Challenger has presented NO signatures in favor of the theatre demolition.
Melders,
If I were a ‘friend’ I could say I spoke to 44,000, and then attack anybody who disputes that number.
Have I spoke to 1,000? Indirectly, YES, if I get to count children. It would be easier to count the people I know who support it…ONE. A woman I take the train with, but she changed her mind when she found out it wasn’t going to be a movie theatre. You see, not everybody who supports it really understands what it is going to be.
Sight seen on the train station which overlooks the theatre; one morning last summer some pro-theatre person is gathering signatures for support (They spend more time gathering signatures than gathering money). Anyway a resident tells him “no way I’m signing it”, the pro-theatre starts arguing with him (they always do that), and then before you know it there are at least 75 people laughing this pro-theatre person right off the platform. Nobody rushed to his support.
So at soccer games, softball, church, PTA, parties, festivals, my neighbors houses, restaurants, bars, etc. nobody supports this place. In fact the only people we see supporting this place are the same 18 people that: go to every Board meeting, appear in the local tabloid newspaper, gather signatures, attend pancake breakfasts, attended the rally, etc.
Challenger, have you personally talked to all 40,000 people in Lombard to find out there views on this theater? Have you even talked to 1000? If you haven’t, how do you know that most people feel the way you do?
Challenger, I never said EVERYTHING we’ve ever done has been a success. I just mentioned two successes along the way, although we have had others. Obviously, we’re dealing with four men on a Board that don’t want this building standing. Look, a lot has happened since Memorial Day weekend when Sebby’s resolution came to light. There was no warning. The RSC plan was under staff review, the $15,000 was just approved for a lobbyist—-why would we suspect?
And so now, we’re the ones being demonized by you? It doesn’t make any sense. Challenger, if you’ve ever committed to anything you believed in, and you did it in good faith, how would you feel if you were, ultimately, betrayed? I feel betrayed, anyway. I know many others do as well…
The only downfall to all of this is losing a building I care about. That didn’t happen because of my actions. The blame can only be placed on those four trustees. They are the ones who took the vote. They are the ones who will demolish the building. Not me.
Challenger, I never said EVERYTHING we’ve ever done has been a success. I just mentioned two successes along the way, although we have had others. Obviously, we’re dealing with four men on a Board that don’t want this building standing. Look, a lot has happened since Memorial Day weekend when Sebby’s resolution came to light. There was no warning. The RSC plan was under staff review, the $15,000 was just approved for a lobbyist—-why would we suspect?
And so now, we’re the ones being demonized by you? It doesn’t make any sense. Challenger, if you’ve ever committed to anything you believed in, and you did it in good faith, how would you feel if you were, ultimately, betrayed? I feel betrayed, anyway. I know many others do as well…
The only downfall to all of this is losing a building I care about. That didn’t happen because of my actions. The blame can only be placed on those four trustees. They are the ones who took the vote. They are the ones who will demolish the building. Not me.
Welcome back Deb,
Thanks for the comment. Based on your response EVERYTHING you have done is a success. If your group is such a ‘success’ then why are bids being accepted on demolition?
That’s your downfall Deb, sorry if you don’t agree.
Hello, Challenger. I’m back, I told you I had been busy…
Let’s set the record straight about the signs since they keep being brought up. The Friends printed 1000 signs. The 1000 signs were mostly distributed prior to the April 27th Board Meeting. That was the 750 figure that was originally spoken of. After that meeting, more people called or email to get signs. Those were distributed. The rest of the signs were given out at the rally. We were left with empty boxes that used to hold 1000 signs. That’s one way we knew 1000 signs were delivered. The other way was that we kept a list of who wanted signs. We still have that list. End of story. If there aren’t 1000 signs still on lawns, I’m not surprised. They’ve been out since APRIL!!! There have also been stolen and vandalized signs. My own included. Some of those stolen signs turned up in a field, were collected and were redistributed. The current sign in front of my home is one of those.
Another thing. It took only 20 people at a rally in Chicago to save Cook County hospital. Since you love percentages, do the math on that one. I planned the rally. We did it in 5 days—-a feat we were told had never been pulled off. The fact that 200 people came on a hot Saturday night without much notice was INCREDIBLE! Many of the historic agencies said that our turnout was excellent, that people rarely like to show up to rallies.
The Daily Herald photographer only came at the very beginning of the rally when we were still actually setting up! Call him—-I actually spoke with him when he showed up. Not sure when you snaked through, but I personally bumped into a couple “spies” and they knew I knew who they were. One was even slyly taking pictures. I asked him who he was, and he claimed “photography student.” But he wasn’t and he knew I didn’t believe him. What photography student would be taking photos from a digital camera hanging around his neck at chest level? But I didn’t care about the fact that he was there, either! Were you one of these “undercover” operatives, Challenger? You guys were obviously worried about the turnout. And I’m sorry you feel otherwise about the signatures we gathered there. It was just over 200, and I still have them. On most of the pages we marked when and where the petitions were collected—-just so we’d have the documentation if anyone ever wanted to know. We have never operated in the shadows, Challenger. That’s what your side likes to do.
Brian, I’m sorry for the bickering. It’s not right to do on this site, and I’m sorry to all who have been offended by it. We do not engage them on their site, and so they come here.
All we are trying to do is save the building at this point. I don’t think anyone thought the Board would vote the way it has. It is sad to most people in our community. To me, this is not about a plan, personalities or who can win. This is about a building I love, that I grew up with, and that I want saved.
melders you are missing my point, they say there is overwhelming support, when actually support is weak. People have grown tired of watching the theatre deteriorate, and are growing real tired of listening to the group bashing, name-calling, threatening, etc…The support is there, but it is weak.
Their strategy is “convince people that the support is there, stick with our last plan, give us the tax money, and this thing will work”.
They need to drop their flawed strategy. “My way or the highway”
Challenger, the signs are there to show support. Maybe those people where planning to give money once renovation started. Ask any group that has done a renovation and they will tell you that they got more money once the renovation started than they had managed to collect before.
Why does it matter if some of the signatures collected are not from Lombard? If they where collected in the city, don’t you think that that means these people would be willing to come see a show or something in the theater? And why do those people need to be registered voters? Those people that aren’t still pay taxes.
Brain, don’t read it, very simple solution.
Childish.
What is absurd is that they keep sticking to their stories.
What is absurd is that they keep sticking to their same failed plan.
What is absurd is that they keep using their same failed strategy.
What is absurd is that they keep looking for a ‘fall’ guy other than themselves.
This is absolutely absurd. Everyone is disregarding prior, unaddressed criticisms and just repeating the same arguments ad nauseam with no regard to accuracy nor truth. It’s like an incredibly obnoxious broken record. It’s clear that you’re all full of spin. There is no sensible reason to continue this bickering. Go do something productive.
Duper, you are right about one thing, I mixed you and your buddy dupagedude up again. My apologies. At least I can admit when I am wrong.
Somebody told me there were between 8500-9500 homes in town. I will be generous and give you credit for 500 signs. Still only about 5%.
As for the rally I walked right through it so they must have counted me too. 60 or 200, it was an embarrassing sight to see. And your prople were gathering signatures throughout the whole cruise nights by walking up the streets, most of the people who signed it did not walk to the rally.
Almost as bad as your recent threats of a lawsuit. The only thing left for you to do is chain yourself to the safety fence come bulldozer day.
The signs mean nothing if the sign holders were not financial supporters of the theatre effort…putting a sign in the yard shows your support but a show of REAL support is a financial pledge to the cause. That simply did not happen…and many today chuckle every time they see 2-3 or more signs in a single yard because what the signs tell us now is that they support the new plan (which, according to the village, is to demolish the “horistorical” building). You may have put in 75 signs but I bet most included 2 or more in the yards they were put in!
As for the signatures, again unless these “armchair” supporters made a financial commitment to the cause then who cares how many or where they came from. At that point in the game it was a day late and millions of dollars short! Where was this same drive for support a year or two ago? Where was the drive to get your “friends” on the village board or even village president to sway the board decisions and direction? It certainly has not done the supporters much good to have a “friend” on the library board given they have voted against her sorry wishes of not pursuing the theatre site for a new library. But just think if that one vote had been on the village board…the RSC plan could have been moving forward by now and the only activity you would see is restoration and renovation instead of demolition. (oh but wait, it couldn’t have started yet because Springfield has yet to approve the TIF extension to fund the theatre so it would still be sitting in its vacant run down sorry state until the next legislative session decides what to do)
As for the rally count, one would contemplate only for a split second what papers count to believe….200+ from the local one sided “theatre coverage no matter what else is going on” paper or 65 from the highly respected and balanced Daily Herald.
Challenger why don’t you just find out for yourself what was PUBICLY said by the friends at the board meeting when those petition signatures were presented.I will stand on what I said.
Challenger asks “how much cash did those 4400 contribute."
When those signatures were taken ABSOLUTLY no money was asked.
Only names and addresses and if they lived in Lombard their voting district. Since the question asked to those who signed those petitions was "would you sign a petition to help save the dupage theatre.A building that is on the National register of horistorical buiildings That was voted to be DEMOLISHED.” The 4400 who signed that petition only wanted the theatre to be saved.That is all that was asked of the people who signed.
Again no donations were asked for.
As for the total amout of people that attended the rally, the count of 200 is accurate based on the number of petition signatues collected since, the petition drive was launched at the rally.
About the number of yard signs. I can tell you that I personally put in place 75 signs.
I do believe at a board meeting one trustee said the count was 750
or so.This was the same trustee who initated the vote to demolish.So if you call the friends liars about the 1000 signs and insist that there were only 100 then I guess that you are callling that trustee a liar also.
3 of your mis-truths uncovered.However you will probably keep on calling the friends “liars."
Please Challenger don’t confuse my post name [dupe supporter]
with the post name [dupage dude]and I {dupe supporter ) never said that you were deb dupe,and I never accused you of that.
So it looks like you are left holding the bag of accusations.
What troubles me is that you guys lie. 100 here, 100 there, you could have 10,000, what good is it doing you. We were told “ALL from Lombard”, now it’s “Not quite all”. How many were your co-workers, or family? We will never know. How much cash did those 4400 contribute. If somebody from another town asks me to sign a petition for something i believe in without it costing any tax dollars I would sign it too. But I like your 4400 number, exactly 10% of our total of 44,000 people. BUT only about 1000 were registered voters, out of over 20,000 registered voters or less than 5%.
Let’s talk about the 100 signs, or the 60 people at the rally. You fail to mention those, liar.
Why don’t you get a spine and take my bet about me and debdupe, before you make any more accusations. Is that all you have left in your bag, accusations???
Challenger (SIR) Maybe you should scroll up to August 10 and read (for the hard of reading)(Challenger) what Ms.Dynako(A FRIEND)REALLY said.
“The petition(signature)drive WAS MEANT TO INCLUDE ALL THAT WOULD BENEFIT FROM THE THEATRE.THAT INCLUDED KIDS."As far as the Wheaton Grand they contributed about 100 signatures to our cause.Some of those people were Lomardians."
Challenger (SIR )Wasn’t Ms.DYNAKO (A FRIEND )telling you that NOT ALL of those signatures were from Lombard residents?
Challenger, what the friends said PUBLICLY at the board meeting
was that those signatures were gathered at cruise nights and the taste of Lombard.They also said that not all of the signatures were from Lombard residents.The signatures were gathered from people that either live in Lombard or who were spending their time and money in Lombard.
So there you go anti-preservationist,another one of your mis-truths uncovered.
Challenger (SIR)If the 100 signatures gathered at the Wheaton Grand Theatre trouble you then just change your tally to 4400 signatures.I don’t think that the friends would object.
Duper/dupage dude (ever notice how they always seem to post one right after another, just minutes apart, like they are running to a different computer) I noticed you did not answer my question, nor did you deny my other FACTS about support, signs, etc.
Would you like to bet some money that me and debdupe are different people. We can prove that fact, but you can’t prove your conspiracy theories, so drop them.
Also, quit the talk about the convention center, apples and oranges.
Challenger/DebDupe (ever notice how thwy always seem to post one right after another, just minutes apart, like they are running to a different computer) to say virtually the same thing?
A “fully funded plan not dependant on the taxpayers getting taken to the cleaners.” Please elaborate on that. What does that mean? How would taxpayers be taken to the cleaners? They’re property taxes would not go up with the theatre project (unlike the library plan, which is dependant on property taxe increases). There will be no additional sales taxes charged to pay for the project (unlike the Yorktown Mall area and it’s use of tax dollars to pay for private development). There would be no property tax increases to pay for infrastructure (as will be required by the convention center/hotel). Not to mention the business plan that shows the theatre easily making money every year (unlike the convention center) and also the fact that there is a steady stream of events that could be held there (unlike the convention center. There is also very little competition in this are for performing arts venues of this sort (unlike the convention center).
An agenda? You bet! Against a Trustee? Not a chance, but against a system!!!
The signatures mean absolutely nothing if they are not registered voters in the Village of Lombard! And signatures coerced at Cruise Nights (oh my God..an event that draws people to the downtown and is NOT a theatre)and Taste of Lombard (one of the most successful suburban fests and is NOT a theatre)are not the droves of supporters you claim it to be. Most likely signed not even realizing what they were signing…because most people could care less about saving the eyesore on Main & Parkside. And no one cares if it is on the national register or not when it looks like a long abandoned ready to fall down fenced in mess of a once was theatre.
And there is no hatred to the friends themselves.just their sorry tactics in trying to save this mess. They tried, they failed. It’s over unless somebody shows up in the next few weeks with a truly FULLY FUNDED plan not dependent on the taxpayers getting taken to the cleaners.
WRONG duper stuper, scroll up to August 10 and see what the friends said:
“The signatures gathered were from people that either live in Lombard or who were spending their time and money in Lombard.”
I was discovered that at least 100 were gathered from outside the wheaton theatre,….not in Lombard or by people spending money in Lombard.
So there you go preservationists, another mistruth uncovered.
Did anybody else notice how he did NOT answer my question…Duper what is your agenda?
Challenger stated that the Friends said “4500” signatuers all from Lombard but some were not.“ Forgive me (SIR)but you are WRONG.What was publicly said by the Friends was that NO, not all of the signatures were from Lombard residents.That point was made clear from the begining.
What was said was that those signatures came from people who wanted to save an historical building that was on the National register of historical buildings and was voted to be demolished.Be those signatures be from Lombard residents or not. What was also said was that those signatures were gathered in Lombard at the cruise night events and at the taste of Lombard event.That is what was publicly said when those signatures were presented to the board.
Let me repeat (SIR) The friends NEVER said that those signatures were all from Lombard residents.
I made a suggestion, get another group to take charge, but seeing you are a ‘friend’ you would never hear of that plan.
I also suggested saving a portion of the theatre, like the marquee, etc. Instead of destroying the whole building. Again if your group didn’t think of it then you won’t agree to it.
My agenda was to keep the residents informed of what your group was doing, because it is our right to know. In case you forgot the theatre is ours, not the friends. So several years ago I questioned your fundraising tactics and how much $$ the group had. I also spend a lot of time questioning your facts and figures. For instance:
you said 5000 supporters when actually it is more like 200.
you said 1000 supporters signs when actually it is more like 100.
you said 200 people at the rally when actually it was 60.
you said 4500 signatures all from Lombard but some were not.
I can go on, but why bother. You lied, I told the truth. My agenda was to get the truth out there for all to see.
So I told you my agenda, what is you agenda duper? I think your agenda is not to take the blame for your group’s failure(s). You have not had a fundraiser in 11 months so we know that’s not your agenda.
Challenger I never said that you (challenger) were against condos.
Let me repeat (SIR) for the hard of reading (challenger)
I said that you were against the theatre and against the R.S.C.
proposed development.
Please (SIR) READ first.Don’t let your anger and hatred for the friends get the best of what little good judgement that you have remaining.
You made charges that one of the posters has an agenda.
Please tell us just “WHAT ” is your agenda.It certainly can’t be saving the theatre because from reading all of your posts,all you do is criticize.What positive statements or suggestions have you ever made to those who wanted to save and restore the theatre?