Ridgewood Theatre

55-27 Myrtle Avenue,
Ridgewood, NY 11385

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PeterKoch
PeterKoch on February 2, 2009 at 9:17 am

The grandeur of the Ridgewood’s original interior has been diminished by having been divided into five cinemas, which is a minus for landmarking, but a plus for returning it to showing films once more, as it is. The outer lobby is beautifully intact, and that should count for something.

Luis Vazquez
Luis Vazquez on February 2, 2009 at 8:09 am

It is true that each building is its own identity. But identity alone is not enough for landmarking. The primary criteria is Architecture; plain and simple. Other qualifications can be considered, but it is the architecture that is primary. That’s what makes it so difficult to landmark the Ridgewood’s interior. The exterior, in my opinion, is very handsome and deserves designation as of right. But the interior, is bland. It does not have the flourishes of the real palaces and never really did, therefore, there is not much to restore.

Now that I think about it, the Jackson Heights theater (Is it the Jackson?)deserves landmark designation for interior architecture alone from the photos that I have seen.

It is much tougher to get landmark designation for a building simply because it is old or because of the “significance” it has for the neighborhood. It is tougher, but not impossible. John is correct when he says that is why it is imperitive that local leaders get behind the legislation because, in this case, the building does NOT speak for itself.

EcRocker
EcRocker on February 2, 2009 at 6:06 am

I don’t know what happened to annother one of my posts I made in reply to the landmarking issue.
This is only my take on why the Landmark Commission may only designate the exterior/facade is because the interior has not been restored to it’s original condition. 25 Million dollars made that possible for the Loews Paradise to get both interior and exterior landmarked since it was restored to as close to original as possible.

Here is aa Wiki listing of designated Queens landmarks including the Loews Valencia

View link

NativeForestHiller
NativeForestHiller on February 1, 2009 at 4:54 pm

Thanks! When it comes to landmarking, each building is its own entity. I feel nothing should be compared.

Luis Vazquez
Luis Vazquez on February 1, 2009 at 11:57 am

Agreed John! p.s. I signed the petition! :–)

p.s. I just posted some new observations about the RKO Keiths Richmond Hill.

johndereszewski
johndereszewski on February 1, 2009 at 11:50 am

Luis, Michael Perlman’s NY1 interview makes it pretty clear that the Landmarks Commission is only considering exterior designation. Since Michael really knows his stuff and since the interior is clearly not in the same class as the palaces you just referenced, we are only talking about the facade.

In my view, the exterior’s clear architectural distinction plus the Ridgewood’s rich historical value provide a potent argument for landmarks designation – IF the proposal receives strong and enthusiastic support from Ridgewood’s political and civic leadership. Signing the petition will help, but a less than lukewarm support from the local powers that be will be the kiss of death.

Let’s see what happens.

Luis Vazquez
Luis Vazquez on February 1, 2009 at 11:16 am

Thank you John, I couldn’t have said it better myself, though I am now much more comfortable with “off topic” commentary than I was before due to the cordial and informative disucssions that we have had on this page.

Back to business: Landmarking is essential to saving the Ridgewood. Arguably, the best feature of the Ridgewood is the Facade and, at a minimum, this can and should receive landmarking on its own merits. The potential problem is, as has been stated by many previously, the interior of the Ridgewood just doesn’t rate when compared to the true palaces in the city: The Loews Wonder Theaters, Radio City, the St. George, The Beacon and most of the Broadway Legit houses. On an interior architectural level, the relatively new Ziegfeld and Paris theaters are much more deserving of landmark status that the Ridgewood.

The Ridgewood’s landmark appeal lies in its history as the oldest theater in the country to have shown continuous films until its recent closure and the connection that this particular theater has had over the decades with its neighborhood; especially after the tragic loss of The Madison. I don’t really know if that will be enough.

Unfortunately, without landmark designation, I think it will be very difficult to save this theater and the case for landmarking on an architectural basis, in my opinion, is weak.

johndereszewski
johndereszewski on February 1, 2009 at 10:40 am

Any more news about the landmarks designation issue? I haven’t seen anything lately; unless I missed something, the most recent edition of the Ridgewood Times said nary a word. I’m particilarly interested in learning how the local politcians, civic associations and Queens CB 5 have reacted to this. Without some heavy lifting here, gaining landmarks status will be an even more difficult task.

Luis and Michael, I have enjoyed reading your comments on on and off topic remarks. As one who has criticized those who have taken an overly purist approach – and I do NOT mean you, Luis – I have stressed the importance of describing the movie palaces within the context of their communities. Clearly, you could not appreciate the significance of the Richmond Hill RKO – or even intelligently discuss its potential future development – without discussing Jahns, the Triangle Hofbrau, Salerno’s or the old LIRR station. Similarly, the wonderful Colonial Theatre page would be woefully incomplete without the many references to the Our Lady of Lourdes congregation. And, of course, many of the comments submitted on this page have greatly broadened our knowledge of the importance that the Ridgewood has had upon this community.

With that said, however, I must also concede that a number of the more recent comments have strayed well beyond the bounds of pertinency and, if anything, have diverted attention from the old theatre. This is particularly troubling since the landmarking issue needs to receive prime attention at this time. When contributions that provide important information regarding this issue are quickly buried in a blizzard of clearly off topic remarks, the value of this page in keeping us informed of emerging events is undermined. This is precisely what happened to a recent Michael Perlman post that provided several important links regarding this issue.

So, without becomming overly purist on this wonderful page, this is probably the time for all of us to exercise a little self restraint.

EcRocker
EcRocker on January 31, 2009 at 8:44 am

Is anyone else posting and then finding out when the page refreshes it says you are not logged on? This has happened to me way to often. This last time I forgot to copy the post in case the need to paste it occurs.

Louis no apology needed. We wouldn’t be here if we didn’t have the passion or the memories to share.

Luis Vazquez
Luis Vazquez on January 31, 2009 at 7:57 am

Thanks Michael, I guess I owe you an apology. When I looked remembered my prior postings at the pages for the Crossbay Theater and the RKO Keiths Richmond Hill, I realized that I had engaged in the same neighborhood recalls that we find here on the Ridgewood. I guess my issue was that there was so much of it on this page but who am I to judge how much is too much? So, please except my apology. :–)

EcRocker
EcRocker on January 30, 2009 at 3:58 pm

Luis no offense taken. All I was saying is that the Ridgewood goes beyond the doors the bricks and the sidwalk where the building is. You mention you grew up in S Ozone Park. When I hear that one of the first things that come to mind is Aquaduct Raceway. Woodhaven Blvd to Crossbay and passing the now closed Crossbay Theatre. I guess the neighborhood needed another sporting goods store like the streets need new potholes. See it stirs up the past like Lenny’s Clam bar and the stupid tv add that said mention this add and you get a glass of wine on the house or the Big Bow Wow. So as I said The neighborhood is the Ridgewood Sometimes ones memory of something may cause someone else in here remember that same thing or something else that may have happened in their life. Fpr example July 13th 1977. Was anyone atteneding a movie at the Ridgewood that afternoon prior to the bis blackout? I know i wasn’t but at the same time I was watching emergency crews trying to find a way to get 6 people who were stuck about 120 feet in the air on the Coney Island Astro Tower. Whats a little side tracking among friends? I may not know anyone in here personally but by reading what they say I find my self knowing who is who. Almost like real life It is also nice to know that if i do come up to NYC and have the time to be able to put a face to the names of the people in here. To me this is a vitual community that not only exists here but in the other threads/theatres as well. I even noticed your posts on the Crossbay from 2007.

Have a nice weekend and enjoy the memories for we can not go back in time any other way at least for right now.

Michael

Luis Vazquez
Luis Vazquez on January 30, 2009 at 7:49 am

Please guys, I mean no offense. I have wonderful memories of growing up in Queens myself (South Ozone Park) and so I know where you’re coming from, but I don’t believe this is the place to discuss it. It is called Cinema Treasures, not Neighborhood Treasures. This should be about the Ridgewood Theatre, memories of the theater and the efforts to save this historic theater.

For some reason the Ridgewood page, almost alone among all CT theater pages has become more about the neighborhood and not about the theater.

My point and it has been expressed by many others, is that we have had to turn off our alerts to the Ridgewood page because the comments are usually not about the theater or theater subjects.

p.s. I absolutely loved growing up in Queens!

PeterKoch
PeterKoch on January 30, 2009 at 7:27 am

Good point, East Coast Rocker. No offense intended to you, LuisV.

You’re welcome, MPOl. If you’re still interested in joining Bushwick Buddies, you can e-mail the owner / manager, Eleanor Coody, at :

You need to log in, choose a screen name to post under, and choose a user ID and password.

MPol
MPol on January 29, 2009 at 5:17 pm

Thanks, Peter. K.

I wasn’t able to enter onto the Bushwick buddies website, but, hey, I’m curious about the Ridgewood community in general, because I enjoy reading/hearing about how such communities came into existence,, and what makes them tick, so to speak.

EcRocker
EcRocker on January 29, 2009 at 2:53 pm

Luis come on now. Ridgewood is part of the community. It is like remenissing about an old friend who moved on. The memories of the Ridgewood are part of the neigborhood. I just recently as of last week got interested in something that someone either said on here or another CT site about the Loews Paradise and all the crap going on up there with whoever was trying to run it after a $25 million restoration. I mean look at it like this. Unless or untill there is any new news or revolations about Ridgewood all there is are the memories and a core group of people in here talking about themselves and the neighborhood. Ridgewood is the neighborhood and the neigborhood is Ridgewood. It goes hand in hand. You have the option to ignore it. No one is forcing anyone to post in here. I like hearing about the area that I may have missed out on.
I only speak for my self here.

Luis Vazquez
Luis Vazquez on January 29, 2009 at 1:51 pm

When I first joined CT, I asked to be notified when someone commented on the Ridgewood page but i ultimately had to delink it because the vast majority of the posts were about comments that had absolutely nothing to do with this theater in particular or even theaters in general.

I recently signed up again with the controversy about the theater shutting down and the drive to landmark it but it has now become, yet again, a neighborhood bulletin board. There are other forums for that including personal correspondence. This is Cinema Treasures!

So now I’m afraid I will have to unlink again unless this page goes back to being about this theater (or other theaters) and not about miscellaneous memories of where “you” grew up.

I apologize in advance for the tone of this post, but it’s frustrating.

PeterKoch
PeterKoch on January 29, 2009 at 1:29 pm

MPol, you’re most welcome to the info about another poster. I think you’ll find Bway helpful.

If there’s anything else I can do for you re : Ridgewood heritage and history, please let me know.

MPol
MPol on January 29, 2009 at 1:05 pm

Hmmmm…CT’s mail server going bonkers? Good, interesting point, East Coast Rocker and Peter.K.

I’ve had tons of notices on my email from CT, most of them with nothing new. Problem with CT’s mail server sounds possible. Who knows?

Peter.K—thanks for the info about another poster. Sounds cool.

PeterKoch
PeterKoch on January 29, 2009 at 7:32 am

Something similar happened to me. I simply deleted the e-mails.

MPol, “Bway” on this site is very knowledgable about theatres, Bushwick, Ridgewood, and mass transit history, to name four things. He is also an accomplished photographer.

EcRocker
EcRocker on January 28, 2009 at 3:02 pm

Ok I just had something strange just happen. I already had 4 e-mail notices about replies in this group 4021 and I just looked at my e-mail now and had 8 more notices and there was nothing new. I wonder if CT’s mail server is going bonkers.

PeterKoch
PeterKoch on January 28, 2009 at 2:51 pm

Fortunately, Mpol, Ridgewood and Bushwick were never bulldozed out of existence to build expressways (they almost were) or replaced by ugly high rises, but Bushwick, and some of Ridgewood, were heavily block-busted in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s.

For further study, you may want to check out Bushwick Buddies at :

http://www.bushwickbuddies.com

There is much material there on Ridgewood as well.

MPol
MPol on January 28, 2009 at 2:49 pm

Hi, Peter. K—

Thanks very much. Was glad to be of some help.

BrooklynJim—you made a good point. Thanks.

PeterKoch
PeterKoch on January 28, 2009 at 2:45 pm

Good observation, BrooklynJim. Thanks.

Hi again, MPol.

You were very helpful. Yes, Ridgewood was fun, and mostly safe, to grow up in.

MPol
MPol on January 28, 2009 at 2:41 pm

Hi again, Peter . K.

You’re welcome. Glad I was able to be some help. Lincoln was fun to grow up in, and Ridgewood, Queens, NY sounds like it was too.

BrooklynJim
BrooklynJim on January 28, 2009 at 2:39 pm

But to your city’s undying credit, MPol, trolley & streetcar lines (above & below ground) were retained and maintained for many years beyond ours, including the many lines in Ridgewood that got our parents to the theaters c.‘30s-early '50s.